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ducdebrabant — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:06:40 -0000

WANT THE CONTEXT?

The exchange took place during a roll call vote on adopting a health care bill just passed in the House. The background is complicated, but I found a column that explains it. Basically the Senate seems to have misread the House and adopted a compromise that Bush liked because if favored insurance companies over physicians, but the House then overwhelmingly passed a bill that favored physicians over insurance companies, and did so with the backing of the AARP. That completely changed the atmosphere in the Senate, where the Democrats abandoned the deal with the Republicans (they'd never have gotten their version accepted by the House anyway). Here's the relevant part of the column:

"Astonished by the landslide in the House, Senate Majority Leader Reid and the Senate Democrats decided to shelve the bipartisan compromise and bring the bill that had just passed the House to the Senate.

Late Thursday night they did just that and missed getting the necessary 60 votes by only one Senator.

This led to what Laszewski describes as "a very undignified scene on the Senate floor . . . Republicans felt betrayed," he explains, "thinking they had an amicable deal to get past the cuts and go home."

The Washington Post provides some of the gory details: "The roll call vote was held open for an additional 25 minutes so Sens. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) could make it to the chamber from their fundraiser at the Mayflower Hotel.

"Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.) grew irritated about waiting for Clinton, the last to arrive, and called for 'regular order' to shut down the vote. That led to a shouting match with Sen. Robert C. Byrd (D-W.Va.), who yelled 'Who are you?' and mockingly called his colleague a 'great baseball man.'

"Bunning, a Hall of Fame pitcher in the 1950s and 1960s, shouted back that he has the same rights on the floor as Byrd, the longest-serving senator in history and the chamber's leading parliamentary expert. The exchange ended with Byrd loudly laughing . . 'That display last night on the floor is something I've never seen,' said Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.)."

This is Probably Not How You Achieve Meaningful Reform."

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/01...

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Bearlegdairy — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:46:23 -0000

Lot of stupid people on these boards....

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Dave — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:20:59 -0000

I am already more intelligent then you and more of a man then you. I won arguments here thats why you had to try to change the subject

No please do not go running up your daddy's skirt

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lefty131 — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:59:29 -0000

So if the local taxes are so high, which I do not disagree with by the way, would not a more sensible approach be to have a federal and state tax system that encourages more people to gain wealth instead of having people punished for it.

Progressive taxation is just another way of getting people to buy into the idea of punishing people who are successful in making money. For those that get their wealth from their families, they do not pay taxes at the same level as those who work for it because the income is viewed and taxed diferently.

We all pay the taxes that you named, but we also pay about another 90+ taxes that have come into existence since the time of the income tax as part of our Constitution. Wouldn't less taxation on the people who make money encourage them to spend it, invest it, and use it more than if they are taxed and therefore not allowed to decide how the money is used, but the government decides.

Have we seen any stories lately, say the last 30 years of government efficiency in makig things happen. Can't remember too many, but if we give the government (at all levels) enough money they will take care of us, especially those who have been taught in public (government) schools who unfortunatley have been increasingly less-educated in recent years. Saw a state today that we have have a 68% graduation rate but have spent since 1980(?) more than 3x in adjusted dollars on education. Nice government results, can we afford to let government have more money to do even less when we need it more?

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Dave — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:27:00 -0000

Oh Ken, just because us Conservatives on this board have won the arguments and the facts are on our side is no way to go on a personal attack mode. Now you guys on the left really need some values and class on your side. Did your parents bring you up with any morals or were they all busy smoking up?

Ken your trash about molesting young children shows just how truly sick you are. Please let God into your heart you need help!

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Carol — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 20:37:14 -0000

Grover Norquist said that, that Obama is John Kerry with a tan. Then I went to Americablog.com which is political news/commentary from the perspective of mostly gay people. I read this comment posted on Americablog: that while "Grover Norquist says Obama is John Kerry with a tan, that Grover Norquist is Liberace with a wife."

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Ken — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 08:54:07 -0000

Yes, this most entertaining of boards just keeps going! I see nothing has changed either. The progressives and moderates here continue to kick the right-wingers butts, and Dave is still holding the title of Board Idiot. Contraceptives lead to more abortions? Yes folks, that’s one of many reasons he’s got firm hold of that title! Thank God his party of bigots is back in permanent minority status.

Dave, you better be careful the police don’t find out about how you are molesting little boys. Get some consensual sex with a grown-up once in a while and maybe you can lead a normal life.

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Jake — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 03:33:51 -0000

"they take it up the ass all the time." That's a classy statement?

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Jake — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 03:21:23 -0000

"I am so happy to be part of a party with class and values instead of trashy, snide, elitists." Which party is that? I wish we had one like that to vote for. I know you can't mean the Republican Party... most of the Republicans in the last 15 years wouldn't know "class and values" if it hit them, e.g., Rep. Fowely, Sen. Craig, Speaker Gingrich, Associate Justice Thomas, Rep. Fossella, Rep. Doolittle, Rep. Renzi, Sen. Stevens, VP Cheney, and let's not forget Pres. Bush; to name a few. Grand Old Party my ass.

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Dave — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 02:15:05 -0000

You are such a idiot and a baby killer to boot

Go take it up the ass and just shut up about AIDS.

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jgrillo — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:41:30 -0000

Not supporting government AIDS funding doesn't make one non-human. The private sector has and in most cases always will do a better job of finding cures for diseases...Reagan knew this. No one deserved to die of AIDS, but it wasn't the government's fault either...it happened and the bottom line was that people and their own actions were to blame...what is lost in this argument is the innocent children, raped women, those who had medical blood transfusions, etc., who suffered and to a degree are still suffering. Government intervention might have slowed down the progress we've made thus far.

This is one thing I do not like about liberalism. Conservatives believe in personal responsibility, don't blame no one but yourself. You're wrong about sexually transmitted diseases. There were plenty of diseases in which antibiotics may or may have not worked before the onset of AIDS.

I guess what I am trying to say it doesn't matter what Jesse Helms thought about AIDS, we wasn't responsible for the creation of AIDS, nor did he prevent the private sector for researching a way to treat the disease.

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jgrillo — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:29:36 -0000

You're being disengenious for even posting this...there was so much bullshit in that bill I don't even know where to begin other to say passing out contraceptives to kids...yes, kids...

The great liberal american school system...japanese and korean kids can kick our asses in math, science, and even english, but american kids know that they can't get pregnant from oral sex.

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DBX — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:34:00 -0000

Believe me, those who pay minimal to no income tax more than make up for it with an exorbitant share of the sales taxes, property taxes, excise taxes and user fees. There are very few states indeed where local revenue-raising is sufficiently progressive to result in an outcome where you actually have progressive taxation.

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ducdebrabant — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:38:00 -0000

That's the best you can do? Don't expect God to have your back when your arguments fail. He can make rivers flow upstream but he can't lay hands on your ignorant comments and make them either intelligent or moral.

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ducdebrabant — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:35:01 -0000

"This may be info to you but contraceptives are not 100% accurate and can lead to pregnancy. I know being gay precludes you from this info."

Not using one may not result in pregnancy 100% percent of the time time either, but intelligent people generally believe that contraceptives are more reliable for preventing pregnancy (and hence, abortion) than not using one. You are simply too stupid to live. You actually said the use of contraceptives leads to more abortions. Too. Stupid. To. Live.

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Dave — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:19:04 -0000

Hey genius, I refuse to have my money go to pay for peoples stuff they need to pay for themselves. The gov't should not be in the business of paying for condoms let all the supposed liberals give them out

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NCYvonne — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:27:53 -0000

Genius, how many people who use contraceptives get pregnant? A tiny, tiny percentage.

How many people who use nothing get pregnant? A lot!

So guess which group has the most unplanned pregnancies and therefore the most abortions? If you're against abortions you should be promoting contraceptives. But you're just one of those low-lives who want to dictate your diseased, putrid "values" to the rest of us!

And, FYI, I'm not gay. I know this shocks but there are some straight people who don't think there's anything wrong with being gay!

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Dave — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:16:31 -0000

This may be info to you but contraceptives are not 100% accurate and can lead to pregnancy. I know being gay precludes you from this info.

Now go back to the liberal black hole you live in. Did you burn your American flag yet today with the dope you are smoking. Go ask Barak for some and I am sure Michelle will light the match on any whitey.

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NCYvonne — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:31:36 -0000

Wait. Contraceptives lead to more abortions????

Now, I know this Dave is either a joke or a moron. calling him a pig is an insult to pork!

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Dave — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:42:19 -0000

Go to church you need God's help

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Dave — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:41:35 -0000

You are the frickin idiot who keeps on going on about Aids and the gays being killed by Conservatives cause they take it up the ass all the time.

YOU pay for your own condoms not me! Should the go't pay for you to wipe your own ass next? IDIOT

Thanks again for proving what class liberals have I am so sure your mom and dad are oh so proud. NOT.

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ducdebrabant — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:51:11 -0000

Such as?

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ducdebrabant — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:48:30 -0000

So do conservatives. Whitewashing Helms isn't taking responsibility. Failure to address the AIDS crisis while it was still primarily affecting gay men is partly responsible for the deaths of so many straight kids. If you don't care about us, at least care about them. Talk about naive and dumb -- Helms said early on that all AIDS resulted from homosexual sodomy. It resulted from a virus, and that virus has gone around the world a million times now, thanks to Helms and people like you. Your dream of a disease that only kills "bad" people is still unrealized, and never will be.

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ducdebrabant — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:44:02 -0000

Idiot. One minute you're screaming that people deserve AIDS for not wearing condoms, and the next minute you're screaming that somebody might want to give them some. It's bad enough to be a bigot, but when you can't keep yourself on the same page even ON the same page it just puts another nail in doctrinaire conservatism's coffin. You can't be doctrinaire if you can't even remember what your doctrine is from moment to moment. Contraceptives lead to more abortions? Holy cow, somebody should have aborted YOU.

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moderatti — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:09:37 -0000

oh, i'm no liberal. hence the moniker "moderatti." I just personally find it hard to believe that someone can be such a caricature, that's all. But then, I have been underestimating Americans for years now.

on this topic, though, Byrd and Bunning's exchange just shows how ridiculous the Senate, as a body, has become. Arlen Specter's speech - which was delivered to an empty chamber, depressing as usual - highlights artfully how the Senate has been misused and ineffectual. The system failure is painful to watch for someone like me, who's going to be around 40 years from now and still wondering how to reform it.