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Sarah Palin: neither a leader nor a politician, but a personality.
Can you imagine MCcain/Palin in the Whitehouse, having to deal with the Iran election crisis?
I've just figured it out! 3 and all the Palindrones have written a new secret history of America. That's why when everyone points out the flaws 3 keeps telling us to "bone up" on our history. We need Tom Hanks to get on the case here. There's obviously a code at work.
Great comment, Patrick12.
But of those three, only Carter's retirement was really "Strategic"; Nixon and Reagan let their previous jobs come to a sort of natural end (2 complete terms), and even Carter DID complete his term. Even still, Carter came along in the wake of Watergate, and it's very difficult to draw viable conclusions from that era.
All Presidents are unique political actors, they don't get to the job in the same way. But even among that group, Nixon, Carter, and Reagan were very unique- so applying their strategy to anyone else is a very risky proposition.
Carter served two full terms in the Georgia Senate and governor for one full term (term limited)
Nixon: Congressman, senator, Vice President for a total of 14 years.
Palin: Governor of Alaska for half a term.
No comparison.
That said, I'm not sure this really IS about running for Prez.
Who is this guy? (Great stream of Palin threads, btw. Keep 'em comin'. Now Palin will be able to benefit from the attention.)
A weak correlation stretched to causation, though. People leave positions all the time. Washington quit and retired. Lincoln quit his only Federal office. Theodore Roosevelt quit his Federal job to fight in a war he started. Eisenhower had retired, etc.
Look at the losers who didn't quit to give themselves time to prepare. Most of them. Had Kerry quit he'd never have voted against something before he voted for it. He'd be President right now.
Virtually every pundit advised her to give up her Alaska job. She timed it so her successor could get a leg up for 2010.
Races for President take more than a year or two to put together.
(BTW x2 Tae, Todd twittered me that your in the next cabinet as Internet Czar.)
Your pal,
36763
Uh, no. Precisely the opposite. The fact that you don't get it makes it doubly amusing.
CAPITALIZING random buzz WORDS is TOTALLY awesome. OR so I HAVE heard.
*WHACK* "Thank-you-sir-may-I-have-another?"
Which would give them an imaginary Bacon number of the square root of negative one. (My Bacon number is three, via Jay Silverheels and Duane Gray.)
What pundits argued she should quit mid first term?
Are those presidential anecdotes really the official talking points for the Palindrones now?
For one, Eisenhower retired from the army after the end of World War II not in the middle of it. He also gave a brilliant farewell speech on the dangers of the military industrial complex, not a rambling, disjointed, self congratulatory, whiny mess that could at best be called an explanation and not a speech.
I am of the opinion that this is the end of her viability as a political candidate even if she is foolish enough to try a presidential run, this ruined any chances she may have had. She may try but her candidacy will end during the primaries, mark my words.
Peace
Seriously man, you're as crazy as Caribou Barbie is.
The fact is, independents such as myself have been so turned off by her that we have not only eschewed the GOP for being responsible for elevating this idiot to national prominence, we'll probably keep voting Democrat for as long as there's the slightest chance she'll play a role in any future administration.
Oh, and for the record, I generally register as an Independent.
In the middle of the term? No, I'm sorry, there, 36-hike, that's just flat-out false and you know it. NOBODY advised her to quit in the middle of her term, and only SOME people suggested that she should not to seek reelection -- most of whom (e.g. Andrew Sullivan) you wouldn't have trusted if they'd told you water was wet.
If she wanted to be a career Governor, then you are right. She should have stayed. If she wanted to move onto better things, the sooner the better.
IMO, she did the right thing at the right time. It was time for Saracuda to up the ante!
Stay tuned my Wiree friend.
PS. This just in. Big August 8th Republican bash in Simi Valley and, you guessed it, former Governor Sarah Palin will be the guest of honor. Get used to this type of stuff.
Let's see, her parents were both teachers. She made 68K/yr at mayor of Wasilla, $125K/yr as governor. She has served on some state advisory boards. Todd's tax filings show that he has never earned more than $100K in any year. So tell me, 3, where did they get that $1.2 million net worth in the first place?
Shesy actingy awefully mavericky againy *winkys*
And when this day come, I hope we'll have the pleasure to see you defend this... In fact I can't wait to see that, could you make a little preview, you know like a little teaser ?
Why do I get the impression that you would support even the flakiest thing Palin did or said? You're fast losing all credibility.
TR's the only one who quit in the middle of his term in office, and even that was an APPOINTED position (he never asked the voters to trust him) and he left it to continue service. Absolutely NO comparison to Palin there.
Lincoln left AFTER his term ended- unlike Palin- because he campaigned on doing so. He was keeping his word to the voters, whereas Palin is breaking hers.
And Washington served out his full terms in the most powerful office in the country, then got out of politics altogether. If your argument is that Palin's still politically viable, this kinda works against that.
And, of course, none of these examples were less than 100 years ago. Quite a stretch, but I suppose if you want to argue this is a good move, you really do have to come up with some whoppers...
Sarah Palin isn't even considered the front runner.
I would just slink away quietly, 36, probably a lot easier. Hell - take a lesson from your idol and just quit already! You can strategically hold a press conference late on a Friday so that no one notices. HA HA!!
Oops - sorry - well, I guess I did say it was *almost* sad.
Lincoln had 2 Federal offices; the second one he was elected to twice and didn't "quit", unless you have a very strange definition of quitting.
TR had a much longer political career before he took a leave of absence to get some photo ops in Cuba. McKinley only made him VP to try to exercise some control over him.
Both parties tried to get Eisenhower to be their candidate in 1952. He obviously didn't have the obsessive political ambition that Sarah has.
Since the "inexperienced" label didn't hurt Obama, is it now an asset?
Holding office while running for higher office, to me, means nothing.
Quitters never win, and winners never quit. Palin has just proven that she is not a winner. Her political career is over.
Re your last point, that means Palin should have resigned as governor last September. You're brilliant.
"Virtually every pundit advised her to give up her Alaska job."
Any of 'em, all of 'em. Should be easy for him to list more than one plus a shamelessly Latin evasion.
What pundit? They probably advised her to quit for her sanity, not for any future national politics run. The pressure may have been a bit much.
Since leaving the national campaign, Ms Palin has done the exact opposite of what I thought she needed to do to better herself for future national political run. Read what I wrote on my blog on November 10, 2008.
http://mrsmart.wordpress.com/2008/11/10/is-pali...
All I have seen her do is fight with virtually anyone who dares say anything she doesn't like about her or her cause. From political operatives to David letterman; John Kerry, the media, etc.
As for your Washington, Rossevelt and Lincoln examples? Times have changed. Do you have any modern day examples?
Look, competition for the GOP nomination will be brutal. Think about Huckabee, Romney, T-Paw, governors who finished their terms, some of them, two terms; and some candidates we don’t know yet.
Palin, I think, is leaving the very job she needed to continue to build on her resume so she can do better next time she tries to run for National office. Have you heard this woman articulate international policy ideas better than her ability to see Russia from her front porch?
Hey, let's be fair. Everything about her future plans is speculative at best for now. Let's just wish her the best in whatever she chooses to do. Shall we?
And, don't give me the et al stuff. Give me names.
Anyone in this forum ever heard of Roger Simon or even cares about what he thinks?
What, you don't like Latin? It's a dead language, you know. Only liberal elitists use it nowadays. :-}
Have you considered the possibility that we think you are wrong because you are, indeed, wrong?
For the records, I do not hate Sarah Palin - I just think that she's incompetent to hold high office from the perspective of her intelligence, her education, her character, and her self-delusional ambition. If my 11-year-old son were to suddenly decide that he needed to be Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, I would be equally hesitant to support him.
What an irrational mindset.
Just a thought maybe you guys should finish your jobs or maybe hell get someone with experience enough to know When to quit(Gov. Sanford) and When Not To QUIT!!(SARAH FAILIN!)
Great group of nothings you align yourself with.
I gotta wonder though, how well it's working out for you to base YOUR support for a candidate off of the opinions of someone who doesn't like you. A healthy mindset would just ignore those people, but hey, do what you want...
EDIT: Another way to say to blow something out...